As we walk the Camino de Santiago Kevin Kelly (founding executive editor of Wired magazine, check him out on kk.org ) and I talk about his passion project, the long now. Put in very simple terms, how we can live in a way that will benefit our descendants.

As we walk the Camino de Santiago Kevin Kelly (founding executive editor of Wired magazine, check him out on kk.org ) and I talk about how Burning Man might influence wider society.